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So Anyway…

Friday, November 23rd, 2012

So anyway… where was I? It’s only been about 23 months since the previous episode. Geez… What can I say? There’s too much to explain. I’ll catch you guys up with the goings on over time but, for now, here are some of the things I talk about in this episode:

METAlliance

Pictured at Avatar studios, from left to right: Frank Filipetti, George Massenburg, Elliot scheiner, Al Schmitt, Slau Halatyn, Phil Ramone, Ed Cherney and Chuck Ainlay.

A couple of years ago, I attended the “In Session” event at Avatar Studios. This was a weekend of sessions with the likes of Al schmitt, Phil Ramone, George Massenburg, Elliot Scheiner, Frank Filipetti, Ed Cherney and Chuck Ainlay. It was a fabulous workshop and one of the most enjoyable events I’ve ever attended. from what I understand, there’s one coming up early next year. If you have an opportunity to attend—do it.

Studio Renovation

Well, I don’t know what exactly to call it. It started out as a remodel, turned into a renovation but ultimately could be considered a rebuild. I’ll eventually do an episode on the whole process but I’d like to do it in a video format. I’ll probably need to enlist the help of somebody to shoot and edit.

Orchestral Recording

Last year was one of those years when I flew to Kiev to record an orchestra for Sulyma Productions. This time, my wife flew out toward the end of our week there and we stayed a few extra days. Again, I’ll probably do a separate episode about that trip. Just catching up a bit for now.

The Seven Little Foys

I did another cast album for Chip Deffaa. This time, it was for a musical called “The Seven Little Foys.” The big dilemma was that I was right in the middle of the demolition at the studio so I ended up tracking most of the recording at Dubway Studios. There are some photos from various sessions at Dubway and BeSharp (where I did the final overdubs) at Chip’s web site.

Although I normally don’t answer questions on the podcast, I did take a few questions via Twitter right before recording the episode. I don’t know if I’ll make that a regular feature or not but I just did it on a whim. I’ve got two interviews in the can so I’ll try to get them out as soon as possible. What can I say? I’m trying to get back on the wagon… or is it off the wagon? Whatever it is, I’m trying to do it ;)

Music featured in this episode includes:

Various excerpts from Olga Vinokur (piano), recorded by slau Halatyn at Systems two, brooklyn NY

“Pro Susidku” and “Shchedryk” by the Kiev City Symphony, recorded by slau Halatyn at dZZ, Kiev, Ukraine

“World War I Medley” by the Seven Little Foys Original Cast, recorded by Slau Halatyn at dubway Studios, New York NY,  mixed by slau Halatyn at BeSharp, Astoria NY

“In the crease” by Branford Marsalis, recorded and mixed by Rob Hunter at Bearsville Sound Studios, Bearsville NY

“What Did You Do?” by Slau, recorded and mixed by Slau Halatyn at BeSharp, Astoria NY, mastered by Don Grossinger at Europadisk, Long Island City NY

“Everything Alive Must Die Some Day” by George Hrab, recorded, mixed and ‘mastered”  by Slau Halatyn at BeSharp, Astoria NY

“I’m the One” by Slau, recorded and mixed by Slau Halatyn at BeSharp, Astoria NY, mastered by don Grossinger at europadisk, Long Island City NY

  • “Felt Memories” by Slau Halatyn from the documentary, “Felt, Feelings and Dreams by Andrea Odezynska,” recorded and mixed by slau Halatyn at BeSharp, Astoria NY

Pre Post

Monday, November 23rd, 2009

I received an audio comment from James Clausen with some questions about microphone preamps. James inquired about my recent purchase of several Grace Design M101s and wonders how they compare with the Millennia Media HV-3D.

As I mentioned in the previous episode, I won a bid on the M101s in an auction of gear from a studio going out of business. I wouldn’t have gone out of my way to look for the M101s but they are very nice for the price and especially at the auction price at which I purchased them. I would have probably preferred the John Hardy pres that were originally housed in the studio’s racks but, alas, they were gone before the auction even began…

I sent the pres to Grace Designs for a +10 dB gain modification so I didn’t have time to do a proper shootout. However, when I did bring the pres to the studio, I plugged them in just to make sure they were in working order. I did a very brief comparison to the HV-3D just to see if they were at least as clean. I have to say, they were awfully close. I detected only a perceivably higher noise floor, perhaps 3 dB or so. Otherwise, they really were comparable. The front panel Hi–Z input and high pass filter are welcomed features not available on the HV-3D. I do wish they had an easier option for rack mounting but, with a rack shelf, a drill and two #10 machine screws, it’s not a big deal.

James asks about how the Grace and Millennia pres compare with some other offerings from Focusrite, Manley and Avalon. The thing is, some of the pres he mentions are more along the lines of channel strips that include compression and/or equalization in addition to amplification.

Rather than comparing them to the HV-3D, I’d sooner compare them to something like the Millennia Media Origin STT-1. The Origin is a full recording channel although it also has a feature not found in too many preamps which is a twin topology design that allows for discrete solid–state and tube paths for the preamp, compressor and EQ sections of the unit.

I had to break the news to James that, when recording a drum kit, one could, indeed, easily use tens of thousands of dollars in preamp channels. Of course, one probably wouldn’t find that kind of arsenal in a home studio but it’s par for the course in commercial facilities and higher–end project studios. Think about using 8 channels of a vintage Neve console to mic a drum kit—with a price tag of several hundreds of thousands of dollars, what would you say is the per–channel cost of the signal chain? Yeah, I know, it seems almost depressing, doesn’t it?

But why? It shouldn’t be depressing at all! One can get fantastic results with simple, straight amplification of signals right into a DAW. In fact, that’s what some engineers began doing in the 80s and 90s with preamps going straight into analog multitrack recorders and bypassing the console altogether. These days, it’s possible to find great multichannel preamps with plenty of clean gain to help get several tracks of high–quality audio into your recording platform of choice without totally breaking the bank.

If you do a little searching, you’ll find that Rob Hunter (Branford Marsalis’s engineer/producer) often uses Millennia preamps. What you probably won’t find out is that, depending on the client with whom he’s working and their budget, he sometimes uses the PreSonus DigiMAX. The DigiMAX is a wonderful 8–channel preamp with plenty of nice, clean gain. I’ve used it on a couple of projects as well and I think it’s great. I’ve also used the preamps on the Focusrite Control|24 as well as the OctoPre. Apart from lacking a little extra gain for the many ribbon mics I often use, they’re perfectly fine preamps for a wide range of applications.

A recent episode of Ronan’s Recording Show featured a review of several preamps in the $500 range. Among the contenders, Ronan appears to like the True Systems P-Solo which, incidentally, my buddy, Allen (Big Al) Wagner, just won in a Sweetwater Sound Twitter promotion. Congratulations, Biggy!

So, with all these choices, what do I look for in a preamp? Well, to try and keep it simple, I look for three main things: 1) clarity, 2) headroom and 3) reliability. I tend to favor transparency in a preamp. I generally don’t need crunch in my sessions but, if I do, I reach for a tube pre and then I’m not so concerned with the clarity. Ample headroom is a great thing when trying to capture sound with a large dynamic range like an orchestra or even a piano. Reliability is worth every penny that you pay for it. That may not be apparent most of the time because most gear works just about all the time. When you’re in the middle of a session, capturing a never–to–be–repeated live performance of a jazz combo or vocal take and the equipment fails, well…

That’s not to say that the more affordable gear is necessarily more prone to failing. If it doesn’t fail in the first few days, it’ll probably last a long time. Perhaps not as long as a vintage preamp built in 1964 and still kicking but long enough to possibly get you through the next few years until you save up enough money to climb to the next rung on the great gear ladder.

All of this talk about preamps and comparisons made me think of a wonderful collection of discs from 3D audio Inc. Lynne Fuston and company put out a series of shootouts featuring mics, preamps, A/D converters and even DAWs. He brought in a team of engineers to help with these massive projects and documented everything very diligently. I’d highly recommend these discs as a point of reference for anyone interested in comparing gear including many of the classic pieces as well as current offerings.

My two criticisms of the mic shootout, specifically, are:

1) I wish the singers had used a tempo reference to keep their vocal performances consistent. With the files imported into a DAW for A-B comparison, it’s distracting to flip from one track to the next and have it be out of sync with the other tracks only a few seconds into the performance. I think it would’ve been a simple thing to implement and I hope they consider that for any future shootouts.

2) The three examples of ribbon mics in the lineup were horrible. In a phone call, Lynn admitted to me that, at the time, he was fairly new to ribbon microphones and that he had mistakenly chosen to position the vocalists only 8 inches from the mics. This, of course, is fine for moving coil and condenser mics but absolutely not for most ribbon mics. Now, that’s a fair explanation for his own oversight but, my goodness, I would’ve thought that one of the other engineers would’ve said, “Wait a second…”

Anyway, apart from the ribbon anomaly, the rest of the stuff is really quite nicely put together. One of the preamp discs features a DVD with a Pro Tools session that includes multiple performances with various preamps used on multiple playlists for each track. In other words, one could hear an entire performance on several instruments and vocal through one type of preamp versus another or any combination. I believe it was the second in a series of preamp discs and it was clearly more thought–out. I’d highly recommend the entire series as an excellent point of reference.

Aside from the two brief clips from Libby Richman and George Hrab, the background music featured in this episode came from instrumental mixes from an album I produced for Cathy Rose entitled “Soul and Sky.”

Don’t Be Shay

Wednesday, August 26th, 2009

Most of my clients come to me by word of mouth, which is great. Even better, I often get sidemen on sessions who have their own side projects and, having worked with me, often approach me about recording their stuff as well.

I was working on a project featuring fairy tales and silly songs, aptly titled, “Fairy Tales and Silly Songs.” The author of the stories and songs collaborated with a musician named Shay Salhov. He wrote the music for the tunes and did some incidental music for the stories.

Shay came in a few days before the main session to lay down piano for the tunes. He was OK on piano but nothing special. In all fairness, I’ve worked with some extraordinary pianists and, let’s just say, I wouldn’t necessarily put him in their league.

Everything went well during the piano tracking session and at some point Shay said, “Hey, I have a trio and I’d love to have you record us. I live in the neighborhood and I feel comfortable working with you. Would you be interested?” I said, “Sure, that would be great.”

So I thought nothing more of it because I get inquiries like that all the time from musicians and, until they “book the hall,” it’s all talk. But a few months later I got a call from Shay wanting to book a session.

“OK, a trio session. So, piano, bass, drums? Piano, bass, guitar?” I asked. Shay quickly interrupted me, “No no no—my main instrument is saxophone. I just played piano for that children’s project out of necessity but I’m a sax player.” I told him that I really enjoy sax trios and that I was looking forward to the session.

The setup for the session was really straightforward: a pair of upgraded Cascade Fat Heads  in a Blumlein configuration as drum overheads, an AKG D 112  on the kick drum and a Shure SM57 on snare. For the acoustic bass, I chose a Heil Sound PR-40 and for the sax, a Mojave Audio Ma200. I set up some acoustic screens to isolate each musician a little bit while maintaining line-of-sight between the players.

The guys arrived and started warming up and, wow, they sounded way better than I expected. The drummer, Ronen Itzik, was great, the bass player, Gary Wang, was great and shay was an amazing sax player. Here I was, practically writing him off as a mediocre pianist and the guy was a phenomenal sax player and fantastic musician.

Anyway, I quickly adjusted the mics on the drums and sax while the guys were rehearsing. When I squatted down in front of Gary, the bass player, he said, “Uh, are you sure that mic is positioned right? Isn’t it supposed to be facing up?” Apparently, he wasn’t familiar with the Heil PR-40. It’s a moving coil mic that looks an awful lot like a condenser and one might assume it’s a side-address mic but it’s not. The mic even ships with a paper around it saying, “Note: This is an end-address microphone.” Anyway, I said, “No, it’s an end-address dynamic mic and it’s supposed to face this way,” and he says, “A dynamic mic? Hmm, interesting.” I’m thinking to myself, “What does he mean by that?” I inquire and he says, “I’ve always seen guys use a U 87.” Now, one can use almost anything on an acoustic bass, of course, but the most popular choice has traditionally been an Electro-Voice RE-20, a Sennheiser MD421—moving coils, for sure. I happen to like the PR-40 on bass because it’s a little brighter and helps pick up a little more attack. Anyway, I assured him that a moving coil dynamic was a very standard choice for acoustic bass, especially in a jazz combo setting.

As I adjusted the mic to face the f-hole at about 10 inches away, Gary says, “Is that where you’re going to leave the mic?” Now I’m thinking he feels it’s going to be in his way or something. I asked him, “Are you in the position you’ll be playing in?” He says, “Yeah.” And I say, “Well then, it’s right where it needs to be.” And he says something like, “Hmm, interesting, alright, whatever.” So now I’m really wondering what’s he thinking? I ask why and he says, “Well, I’ve seen most guys put the mic directly in front of the bass, pointing at the bridge. I explained that in a classical session or in a live room where space is absolutely no consideration, the mic would, indeed, be in front of the instrument but that this was a jazz session and to try and minimize bleed from other instruments, it’s very common to put the mic in front of the f-hole. There are no rules, of course. The world-renowned, multiple grammy–award-winning engineer, Al Schmitt, once recounted about wrapping foam rubber around the body of a Neumann U 67 (his favorite mic) and sticking it underneath the fingerboard of an acoustic  bass to record it. Whatever works.

Anyway, I was really beginning to feel like this guy just simply didn’t trust me. I don’t often feel like I have to prove myself and, I have to say, it’s kind of an unpleasant feeling and it’s probably the feeling some new clients get when they come into a new studio, a strange place, new people to deal with. I should probably be more cognizant of that fact. and sensitive to it as well.

I have to admit, I kind of played a little game with him and said, “OK, we’ll do it your way,” and positioned the mic right in front of the bridge. I think he might’ve felt like he sort of won that little power struggle or whatever you want to call it. “Sure, we’ll do it your way and see how it sounds,” I said.

So, we did a little test run and the guys came in to listen. They really liked the overall sound but the drummer asked for an extra mic to put on the hi-hat because some details in his playing were sometimes getting a little lost. While I ran out into the live room to throw an AKG C 391 small diaphragm condenser on the hat, I left the take playing in the control room. When I came back and stopped the transport, Gary hinted that maybe we should try moving the mic back where it was to begin with. I suspect he was second guessing himself and by now had started to trust me a little more. I said, “Sure, we can compromise and split the difference,” and he said, “Whatever you think is best. Put it wherever you want.” I thought to myself, “Finally, he’s comfortable.” That’s what it’s all about for some people. Sometimes they have to flex a little muscle, drop a few names, tell a few stories, warm up—whatever. It’s all good. It was just a little unusual for me to feel uncomfortable. that usually doesn’t happen with me. Well, at least now we seemed to be getting to normal.

I made a quick adjustment on the bass and we started recording. These guys were such a pleasure to record once things were underway. I have to say, I absolutely love jazz and particularly like sax trios so it was a real blast. Except for the last tune, everything was original material written by Shay and, for the most part, it was all two takes or so of each tune but they just blew through it one after the next.

Within a few hours, the guys had recorded essentially an album’s worth of material. I made a couple of reference CDs and they took off. I decided to Google Shay and wasn’t surprised to learn that he graduated from Berklee School of Music and has a master’s degree in classical music from Boston University and has played with a whole slew of great musicians.

I was so looking forward to mixing this project but, what’s more, I was excited at the prospect of working with Shay on future projects. I imagined myself like Rob Hunter with Branford Marsalis, developing a long-term working relationship, maybe doing some live sound for Shay—and he was right here in the neighborhood.

So I get a phone call from Shay a few weeks later and he says, “Hey, listen, my wife and I are moving to California.” It was a very last minute kind of thing and they were leaving in just a few days. I was stunned and so disappointed. We discussed doing the mix remotely and I suppose I could do that for his future projects as well. that’s all fine and good, mixing is alright but tracking a jazz combo like that is just simply one of my favorite things in the world. Unfortunately, it appears that I won’t be doing that for Shay unless, of course, his budget will allow for me to fly out to Santa Cruz but I’m not getting my hopes up…yet.

So, that’s the way it is with clients sometimes—easy come, easy go. It’s great when they come and it sucks when they go. The thing about the saying, “easy come, easy go,” is that it ends on a negative thought. Thing is, it’s cyclical and there’s always a new “easy come” after an “easy go” and, fortunately, my experience has been, much more often than not, after an “easy come,” they tend to stay.

As for Shay, yeah, well, he’s gone for now but I’m sure some lucky engineer in Santa cruz or L.A. will get a phone call and will get to work with Shay. Of course, it’s just as likely that some fabulously talented musician somewhere in the world is packing their bags, making the big move to New York City and, who knows, maybe I’ll be lucky enough to get a phone call because, well, you know what they say, “Easy go, easy come.”

For more information on Shay salhov and his music, visit http://www.myspace.com/shaysalhov

Also, check out the Skeptic Zone podcast for Kylie Sturges’s interview with me about myths in the audio world.
http://www.skepticzone.tv

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